It’s very subtle to avoid the two extremes: that’s there’s a solid findable conventional reality – the absolutist extreme – or that there’s no conventional reality – the nihilist extreme. We want to avoid the two extremes. Just as things are not self-established by something findable inside them, the other factors that they dependently arise from also are devoid of self-establishing natures. We need to look at dependent arising in a much broader sense, with a much broader understanding. By understanding dependent arising in terms of mental labeling, we can avoid the extremes of absolutism and nihilism.